World s South Africa con- tinues to subvert the process in Namibia toward free elections and independence, in a effort to crush the liberation forces of SWAPO, diplomatic manoeuvering contin- ues to salvage the UN-supervised process. The following radio interview (abridged) was heard in the Toronto area April 15, on the program “Third Wave,” hosted by Beverley Bain, who spoke with SWAPO’s United Nations representative Hinangewe Asheke. Q: What and who, in your opinion, was responsible for the fighting which broke out in Namibia on April 1 between SWAPO and South Africa’s police? : A: The fighting that took place on April 1, as the Namibian people were preparing for a period of relative peace and prospects for peaceful transition to independence, was solely provoked by the racist regime of South Africa. It unleashed its troops and paramilitary occupation forces against our fighters who were preparing to be moni- tored by UNTAG, and launched a terror campaign against the local population. Q: Why weren’t UN forces deployed in Namibia before this? Why did it take so long to put these forces inside the country? A: We’ve also been asking the United Nations this question. We require an expla- nation as to why the UN was not in Nami- bia; why they were not deployed at the very crucial point that the agreement between SWAPO and South Africa came into effect. In fact, the UN definitely failed to keep the two forces apart. In effect, there is another dangerous development that places the UN on side with the illegal occupation regime, because, as you know, the special representative of the UN secretary-general has actually given a green light to the South African forces to hand over our people. That is a totally unacceptable action because it turned a peaceful mission into a warring mission, destroying the notion of UN impartiality in dealing with both parties to the conflict. We have a situation where the skeleton UN forces inside do not add up to the required figure. The original military com- ponent of 7,500 was scaled down to only 4,650 at the insistence of the permanent members of the Security Council. This remains unacceptable to us. We still demand that the full 7,500 complement of UN military forces be deployed to enable them to carry out the duties entrusted to them — creating conditions of peace and security and to monitor the electoral pro- cess. Q: Why was the resolution passed to scale down UN troops? I noticed the USSR also supported this move? A: The reasons given were unconvincing and remain unconvincing. They raised the issues of financial difficulties. They said the Namibia: tortuous path to freedom South African Defence Force troops sweep Namibian countryside in movement against SWAPO. plan is large and too expensive. They also insisted that, given the agreement involving Cuba, Angola and South Africa, with the U.S. mediating, the conditions are now bet- ter, that there is a peaceful environment. We have objected, and object strongly to that notion. The “we” includes SWAPO, the frontline states, the African group of nations at the UN and the Non-Aligned countries. We insist and have been telling those who pushed these cuts that the situa- tion in Namibia is very explosive. The South African regime, in the 10 years it refused to implement UN Resolution 435, has created local military units such as the South West Africa Territorial Force and the Koevoet murder squads which it has deployed in recent days. These forces, we argued, ought to have been taken into con- sideration, in fact, ought to have led the world community to demand an increase, not a decrease, in UNTAG forces. Q: South Africa and others, including Bri- tain’s Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher have blamed SWAPO for not keeping its end of the bargain regarding that SWAPO mil- itary forces were to stay north of the Nami- bian border. What is the story here? _ A: We did not sign the bilateral or tripar- tite agreements signed by the parties con- cerned. It is therefore completely absurd to suggest that SWAPO has violated some- thing that we have not signed. The whole argument by the South Afri- can regime, by Thatcher and by the U.S. administration claiming a violation by SWAPO, completely and conveniently refuses to acknowledge that the original UN plan for Namibian independence provides for SWAPO fighters that are inside Nami- bia at the time of the ceasefire to be confined to bases inside Namibia. That was reaf- firmed by various reports by former UN secretary-general Kurt Waldheim. South Africa has always wanted to world to believe that SWAPO did not have armed MAY DAY GREETINGS AND SOLIDARITY Chilean-Canadian Friendship Society fighters inside the country. And here again we see them push this same argument, one which is also taken up by their friends and, unfortunately, by unsuspecting parts of the Western media who are blaming the victims for this act of aggression by the racist South African regime. Since SWAPO launched the armed struggle in 1966, 23 years ago, we have had at all times, and continue to have armed forces inside Namibia. And why not? Namibia is our country. Our fighters have no other home but Namibia, their own motherland. Q: Some say Namibia will end up like the Congo since the UN has very little control in events there. Do you see this happening? A: Certainly the bad start of the imple- mentation of Resolution 435 can be likened to the Congo situation. The UN should realize the danger ahead in terms of fulfil- ling its obligations and responsibilities to the Namibian people. On our part, seeing a conflict that was not subsiding, SWAPO has called on our figh- ters to withdraw from the battlefield, to regroup and to move to Angola. We did this to avoid further bloodshed, and also to try to prevent Pretoria from using the con- tinued fighting to abrogate its commitment to Resolution 435. There was also another meeting with the joint commission consisting of Angola, Cuba, South Africa with the U.S. and USSR taking part as observers in Namibia. They came up with a declaration which SWAPO said it had certain reservations about and had asked for clarification. This concerned points which were sup- posed to be set up near Angola where our fighters would hand themselves over to the UNTAG personnel to be escorted to Angola. According to their agreement, our people are supposed to be disarmed. SWAPO rejects that idea. These assembly points turned out to be South African military bases with some UN troops hoisting the UN flag. Our people refuse to turn up at these places which look like traps in which South African troops will continue to kill our people. Instead, we have called on our people to go directly to Angola and not turn up at these South African traps. Q: I want to ask about one of Namibia’s strategic bases, Walvis Bay, which South Africa has refused to give up. Could you comment? : A: South Africa has continued to make colonial claims on Walvis Bay, Namibia’s only deep water port. From an economic standpoint, everything coming in and out of the country by sea goes through Walvis Bay. Strategically, South Africa has a huge military base there, including naval facilities that were used over the years to conduct its campaign inside Namibia and its aggression against Angola. As far as SWAPO and the Namibian people are concerned, Walvis Bay is an integral part of Namibia. Our fight is to liberate each and every inch of our country. This includes Walvis Bay.. This issue was raised by SWAPO very strongly during the process of negotiations involving the so-called contact group. South Africa refused to deal with the matter and, as a compromise, in 1987 the Western states came up with the idea of a specific resolution (No. 432), dealing with Walvis Bay. Unfortunately, this resolution fell short of saying that Walvis Bay is an inte- gral part of Namibia as we were demanding. _The resolution only provides that Walvis Bay will be reintegrated into Namibia and that that process will be taken up by the government of an independent Namibia and South Africa. Q: Will Namibian independence be achieved this year? A: As an optimist, yes. I see the process continuing, although there are certain spe- cific things that must be done. There must be a show of goodwill by the parties involved. South Africa must not be allowed to go on as it is now, basically violating the terms of Resolution 435. As things now stand, South African mil- itary forces that were supposed to be con- fined to their bases, Southwest African Territorial Force units and Koevoet murder squads that were supposed to have been disbanded, are all still at large and continue to butcher our people. This situation must stop. We believe the United Nations must rise ‘to the challenge and deploy its forces to deal with that situation. We believe Western governments, particularly those that have been party to the negotiations leading to the adoption of Resolution 435, must play their role. They should not allow Pretoria to again wriggle out of the process. A lot of pressure is required from all who are seriously concerned about Namibian independence. SWAPO has already indi- cated its willingness to co-operate with the UN secretary-general to ensure things are back on track again. Q: What can Canada do to help bring pressure on the UN and South Africa as a member of the Security Council to ensure the process is sped up? A: I was recently accompanying the SWAPO general secretary on a Canadian tour where we discussed with your govern- ment and various MPs from various parties, with the NGO community and with trade unions and church groups to specifically address this question. It is very crucial that Canada, as a UN member and having been part of the negoti- ations leading to the adoption of Resolution 435, must play its role to make sure this resolution is implemented in its original and definitive form. Canada must help ensure that South Africa is not allowed to flout this agreement once again. Certainly, the Canadian public should be at all times vigilant and keep an interest in what is taking place in Namibia. The media should take up this issue, to keep the pressure on the racist South African regime. We have also asked Canadian friends to send observer missions to Namibia to help monitor the electoral process. We believe that as many people as possible being in Namibia at the time of transition will help deter Pretoria from doing the most obvious things. We explained during our visit what South’ Africa is doing, including giving Namibian identity to UNITA elements, © raising the voting age from 18 to 21 years to exclude SWAPO supporters among the youth, the use of its military forces to cam- paign in support of Prétoria’s Namibian puppets and unleashing a vicious anti- SWAPO propaganda campaign and others acts. Pacific Tribune, May 1, 1989 « 25